Organized Crime the "Music Biz" & the Jacksons

[brianpi]

Organized Crime....It comes in all flavors, and the record business would not be what it is without it...Deca Records and the Juke-Box, teamed-up in 1934, and mined gold out of poverty.....This is the true starting point, but next, Frank Sinatra and his "friends" started Reprise Records, in 1960, it become part of Waner Music ...."The Boys" in Florida and New York controled this action. [anything that says different, is just a front]...MCA, is the other big name in the early days, they become Universal...MCA..this history can not be hidden, because of Moe Dalitz, Melvin Belli and Meyer Lansky, these guys all play a part in the Jackson Family history.....I'am not talking about my 1993 information....Warner Chappell Music div. manages the MiJac Catalog for the Jackson Family [and always did].....So do some reading, if this is interesting?...Your view of Michael Jackson's world will change.....Now please go to the news stores about Tommy James and the Mob, His history will soon be a major film.["Tommy James and The Shondells", "Crimson and Clover" etc.]....what changes in the public's opinions, would we see, if the family is part of organized crime?....no no! you say, "they were victims"....all of them?

[Steve]

Thanks for this overview! That's a good starting point for some more research. Was Juke-Box another label, a band name or one of the crime organisation you mentioned?
1993 was the year when the Uk Decca Label expanded to the US, wasn't it?
By the way, i find the symbolic in some of their logos quite interesting (pyramid & all-seeing eye):

[brianpi]

THe "Juke-Box", I should have explained.....is slang for a pay by coin [now bills] automated record player, for bars and restaurants or pool halls etc.....in the early years of this business, in the U.S., this was one of the most important ways to introduce a new recording, and the cash the machines brought in, was hard for the tax collectors to keep track of. The Mob guys would force these machines onto businesses, and promote the entertainers that they had an interest in. This was the first step, that turned into the Mob paying off radio disc-jockys. The "payola" [pay-offs] got the attention of the FBI and the Congress in 1960.

[brianpi]

Steve...The triangles/pyramids, in the Decca Labels, I did not stop to think about what was right there! This is in all of these Albums, brand logos and hand gestures, it seems to be everywhere, in the music industry....You have pointed this out again and again, it must be very important to the owners and entertainers.....Is it all Masonic?....or are other occult groups part of this?....or are they all the same, just different names?

[Kassandra]

I think there is a spiritual energy in all things on earth and we just dont know about the inner life of symbols and words , that are also symbols after all....
we are living like a stupid flock on earth !
I made myself an experience maybe.....I opened a company 2 years ago and part of the name is ...Stars.
I am successful even without advertising ....
I saw a bad hairdresser in our city, the name is "Hair Star"...
its not even looking nice but the place got clients always.
I think the word "star" itself is doing something with us.
Sorry this sound freaked out , but these are my thoughts.

There is this guy Christian Audigier with his ugly love negating Ed Hardy Label, who is also connected to MJ.
MJ was on his birthday once and he didnt like it at all....but had to do it.
Money, connections....whatever.
Audigier moved into the maison that MJ died in as I read !
This mansion is also special,
but this information is in a better place in the thread "Hidden symbols"

[brianpi]

If one of these, "organized crime guys" was to read about the symbols etc, they would have a big laugh.....It is the "Bankers" and above that call the shots, when it comes to "Symbols"......In a production office, of a major film. The important "directives", come from Execs. or their assistant, from outside the office. [where the slaves work, and that includes most directors and some executive producers].....The "Wise Guys" have a boss, just like us...the "Guys that direct the missiles and bombers, and make the money off of war, they are our Bosses.

[Polly]

Isn't it strange that everything these powerful people do is guided by symbology? They seem to be obsessed with it. Even right back in history, many important figures have been painted making esoteric signals. Why this obsession with symbology? Because it gives them power; they know how to tune into it and how to use it. We, on the other hand, are kept ignorant, scared, and taught to believe that all these symbols are evil and satanic, lest we start getting some crazy ideas like trying to take a bit of this divine power for ourselves.

[Polly]

There is this guy Christian Audigier with his ugly love negating Ed Hardy Label, who is also connected to MJ.
MJ was on his birthday once and he didnt like it at all....but had to do it.
Money, connections....whatever.
Audigier moved into the maison that MJ died in as I read !
This mansion is also special,

Christian Audigier bought the mansion in order to showcase exhibits and musical productions "honoring" MJ. Funny, but he was in Paris the day of Michael's funeral in order to promote a clothing brand.
Apparently the house is worth over $30 million, and currently belongs to Audigier's boss, Hubert Guez.
Of his plans with the house, Audigier said, "so far I'm buying a big collection of memorabilia and personal objects that he (MJ) has...Nobody knows that two streets past his house was Elvis Presley's house. So [there were] two kings in the same area."

[Steve]

I found this post in a forum that seems not longer active. The Mafia connection to MJ has already been a subject of conversation for quite a while.
http://www.gaudiya-repercussions.com/in ... ded&start=

jatayu @ Jun 15 2005, 06:45 AM
The actual reason why they made this whole case is his most valuable asset: the Beatles song rights he bought in the 1980s for about $48 million, now estimated to be worth $400 million or more. So, everytime they want to world wide play a Beatle song on a radio station they have to pay to Mr. Michael Jackson. An intolerable situation for the globalization mafia.

Guest @ Jun 15 2005, 09:47 AM
Almost. In 1995 he merged ATV (which owned some 4,000 songs including 'Northern Songs' company which was started by the Beatles and had around 250 of their songs, Michael bought ATV for 48 million in 1985) with Sony. He now owns half of the ATV/Sony catalogue which is worth an estimated 850 to over 1 billion dollars and increases substantially in worth annually. It includes some 250 Beatles songs as well as songs by Elvis, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Stevie Nicks, Mariah Carey, Neil Diamond, Little Richard, Pointer Sisters and others.

As anyone who is familiar with the music business and the entertainment business in general knows, it is permeated by organized crime. The most powerful entertainment corporation for most of the 20th century was MCA (Music Corporation of America) which owned Univeral pictures and studios. It also illegally controlled the entire movie and entertainment business through exclusive illegal mafia enforced control over the talent booking business. MCA was started by a mafia connected guy from Chicago and was essentially owned by the Chicago Outfit, the Cleveland Mob, Meyer Lansky etc, through frontmen Jules Stein and Lew Wasserman. See:

The Last Mogul: Lew Wasserman, McA, and the Hidden History of Hollywood

Since then MCA has gone through various organized crime connected owners, including Matsushita, Vivendi, Seagrams, and has merged with numerous other corporations and companies now its part of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Universal and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivendi_Universal

http://www.moldea.com/MCA.html
http://www.moldea.com/MCAMusic.html

Anyways...The point is that the music business and entertainment business has been crime controlled for a long time. One thing they do to celebrities is extort them. They demand money, paying jobs for doing nothing, do certain movies on demand, etc. If you dont go along with it, in the past, you couldn't get booked, you would get roughed up, etc. Now they will attempt to ruin your career. The Laywer who has been the driving force in the molestation cases, Barry Rothman is mentioned in those books on the MCA mafia connection as an MCA lawyer. In one of them there is an interview with a mafia guy. He talks about how his job was to extort money from celebrities, including Dionne Warwick and Michael Jackson. He said Michael wouldn't pay. It was not long after that when the first molestation case started, pushed by a guy who owed the mob lots of money from gambling debts (Evan Chandler) with the aid and schemes of an ex MCA lawyer.

Then there is Sony which wants 100% control over the ATV/Sony catalogue. Who knows what they are into, but their choice for head of sony records (Michael's label) was Tommy Mottola. Michael went on a media campaign calling Mottola a racist a few years back which ended up in so much bad publicity Sony had to remove Mottola as head of Sony records. This is from an Entertainment Weekly article; Mariah Carey speaking about Tommy Mottola, her ex-husband.

"Talking about the split, Mariah Carey chooses her words carefully, as she is prone to do. At once candid and coy, she'll answer "yes," then hedge for five minutes. On the subject of her marriage, the indirectness is understandable in light of the unflattering attention it received in a Vanity Fair profile of Mottola last December. The article, rife with denials from the record mogul, painted him as a controlling, Mafia-connected obsessive who'd turned Cinderella into Rapunzel inside their Bedford estate."

[Steve]

Steve...The triangles/pyramids, in the Decca Labels, I did not stop to think about what was right there! This is in all of these Albums, brand logos and hand gestures, it seems to be everywhere, in the music industry....You have pointed this out again and again, it must be very important to the owners and entertainers.....Is it all Masonic?....or are other occult groups part of this?....or are they all the same, just different names?

I finally found some info on the Decca-Juke-Box thing. This is the "Billabong" magazine from 1954:
http://books.google.com/books?id=liEEAA ... q=&f=false

[brianpi]

Coast to Coast AM Radio Show.....did anyone hear Tommy James talk about his book and movie ?......He said the record label he was with in the old days, was not Mafia controled but was mafia owned....and He talked about other music business Mafia violence.....there is so much Mob history around MJ and his family, that it must be the prime mover behind many things in the Jackson's past.......there will be more of this surfacing when the Tommy James and the Mafia movie and book gets into the public's awareness........Morris Levy....Tommy James Mafia boss.....A Mason ?...

[DaysGoneBy]

Coast to Coast AM Radio Show.....did anyone hear Tommy James talk about his book and movie ?......He said the record label he was with in the old days, was not Mafia controled but was mafia owned....and He talked about other music business Mafia violence.....there is so much Mob history around MJ and his family, that it must be the prime mover behind many things in the Jackson's past.......there will be more of this surfacing when the Tommy James and the Mafia movie and book gets into the public's awareness........Morris Levy....Tommy James Mafia boss.....A Mason ?...

Hi, I am new here and have not gotten around to introducing myself yet, but have been following this forum for a while now...anyway: I did not hear the radio show, but I did read a review of TJ's book last year in the Washington Post. I think it called "Me and The Mob"? (In the same issue were 2 new books about Elvis's sex life) I would post the review here, but I no longer subscribe to the W-Post, (which means I don't have access to their archives) but it gave it a good review and I DO want to read it. Back in the late 70's I attended a late night party in Baltimore where T- James was present. He was sitting in corner by himself and I approached him and he acted aloof and stuck up (and I was young and drop dead gorgeous then ) so I turned my back on him and mingled on. At that time MJ was hot and I was realy into Earth, Wind & Fire. It was so long ago I don't even remember what he looked like. His music never did anything for me. I think Crimson & Clover is a really boring song

[brianpi]

Welcome DaysGoneBy...We like some of the same music...thank you for the book info....it sounds well worth reading.....I worked on several LA movie projects with one of the old Elvis "roadies".....Lincoln told us some fun stuff about Elvis....from what "Linc" told us, Elvis liked the world of James Bond 007 type stuff.....His crew really liked Him...[from what Lincoln told us]...Music history is very international...more so than the movies...I will be looking for more of Your posts...

[DaysGoneBy]

Welcome DaysGoneBy...We like some of the same music...thank you for the book info....it sounds well worth reading.....I worked on several LA movie projects with one of the old Elvis "roadies".....Lincoln told us some fun stuff about Elvis....from what "Linc" told us, Elvis liked the world of James Bond 007 type stuff.....His crew really liked Him...[from what Lincoln told us]...Music history is very international...more so than the movies...I will be looking for more of Your posts...

I'm Back! Sorry to take so long to respond, and Thank You I have enjoyed all your posts as well; very intriguing all the Vegas stuff. (OK, I got some new poop on Randy, but I better go back to where he ws discussed than mix it up here)