Did he do it or not?

[sarah]

Hey Jester/Brian
I think the "no bitches" quote is very telling, it's almost as if he was trying to persuade JC that girls are a bad idea.
Apparently heifa is a term he used quite a lot, according to many authors including the pro jackosn ones like Randy Tarraborelli, even he is undecided about the 1993 allegations. You are right Jester he seemed to be very wary of women, citing his brothers failed marriages and let not forget the example of wedded bliss his parents gave him! I think that MJ was emotionally scarred from his childhood experiences, ie his brothers sexual behaviour and that of his father too. He apparently at one time had very strong religious convictions like his mother, so this behaviour would have been considered ungodly and sinful. Lets face it young girls were never in short supply around the Jacksons, if he had wanted to, he could have if you know what I mean! I have read both from Rebbie and Bob Jones (MJ's publiciist for 30 years) that Joe Jackson paid 2 hookers to seduce Michael in the 70's and he was totally traumatized by the experience. Also Joe Jackson once managed a girl band called MLDT Willis and one of these girls also attempted to unsuccessfully seduce him in a hotel bedroom. I think that Joe was trying to introduce his son to women, but ended up bullying him about his apparent lack of interest in the opposite sex. There is a snippet on you tube (called the Jacksons talk about Mowtown) taped in a hotel room that the Jacksons were in, in the early 80's, there is a knock at the door and the brothers tell Michael that it is Billie Jean come to see him and he sound really scared. It's almost as if he thinks it is another set up. Perhaps they tried to set him up with girls a lot. Regarding Bob Jones, he wrote a very revealing book re Mj that was published in 2005, he was also a proseuction witness in the 2005 trial, the book has many startling facts about Mj including his "apparent lack of interest in women", Bob is very specific about the fact that he feels MJ was never interested in Lisa Marie Presley and that the marriage was designed as an image makeover attempt. He also gives details of some of the things that he saw going on in hotel rooms and how MJ's behaviour troubled him for a long time. The book is well worth reading and is very detailed.

[do ut des]

Jordan Chandler Admits He Lied About Michael Jackson
June 28, 2009 | Los Angeles, California | Vetting explained

In 1993, Chandler told a psychiatrist and police that he and Jackson had engaged in sexual acts that included oral sex, the boy gave detailed description of Jackson’s genitals. The case was settled out of court for a reported $22 million, but the strain led Jackson to begin taking painkillers. Eventually he became addicted.


Now maybe for the remorse of his death Chandler decides to tell us the truth. ” I never meant to lie and destroy Michael Jackson but my father made me to tell only lies. Now i can’t tell Michael how much i’m sorry and if he will forgive me ”.Evan Chandler was tape-recorded saying amongst other things, “If I go through with this, I win big-time. There’s no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever…


Under the influence of a controversial father (Jordan Chandler) told his son to tell that Jackson had touched his penis. Jordan Chandler then told a psychiatrist and later police that he and Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex, as well as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were the singer’s genitals.


Now for the first time I can’t bare to lie anymore. Michael Jackson didn’t do anything to me, all was my father lies to escape from being poor.

Source: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-286274

Wasn't it proved to be fake? I mean this info about Jordan Chandler admitting to lie?

Weren't stories about MJ also proved to be fake and SOME people don't bother this tiny-winy detail -TRUTH - and still pretend they are VALID!? Therefore, the only way to get to the truth is by a thorough peeling off bias after bias and using our own brains (instead of someone else’s) and by reaching for what our heart tells us when the brain completely fails us.

[Jester]

Sarah, I think MJ was/is a juicy piece (if it is possible to say so in English) for psychoanalysts. He had a very complicated attitude towards women, I think... There is even a subject in his songs that he liked for some reasons - songs about dangerous manipulative women, like "Billie Jean", "Dirty Diana", "Dangerous"... Perhaps some other songs.
Unfortunately I didn't read Bob Jones.

Therefore, the only way to get to the truth is by a thorough peeling off bias after bias and using our own brains (instead of someone else’s) and by reaching for what our heart tells us when the brain completely fails us.[/b]

Using brains is the best way, very hard, but extremely interesting!

[123]

Hi Sarah
About that Bod Jones "BOOK"
He admittied in the COURT ROOM that they did indeed SENSATIONALIZE the book. If you sensationalize (i.e. "LIE")

[sarah]

Hi Sarah
About that Bod Jones "BOOK"
He admittied in the COURT ROOM that they did indeed SENSATIONALIZE the book. If you sensationalize (i.e. "LIE")

Hi 123 you are right 123, he did say in court that he fifn't recall the "head licking" that he had previously mentioned to the DA and written about in his bppk. Bob worked for Mj for 30 years and when push came to shove he couldn't sell MJ up the river. Bob also left out many stories from the book, and kept changing and altering stories so as not to hurt MJ too much. How do I know this? The author told me! Bob Jones was a great man, and one that was very much respected in his profession, many pundits were very shocked by his book but he was never sued by MJ for defamation, Bob Jones could have been his worst nightmare on the stand but in the end he all but saved his life. I remember reading a quote from Roger Friedman who was very fair to Mj during the trial that said "Bob Jones knows where all the bodies are buried at Neverland". He also said that he had a Jackson insider check out the book and he told Friedman that it was true. There were a lot of people that lied on the stand in the 2005 trial including Debbie Rowe, Tom Sneddon would never have put her on the stand if he knew what she was going to say, she was one of the reasons MJ didn't go to jail, that and the accuser's nutty mother.

[123]

Hi Sarah. When did you talk to him bc he's dead now. Was this a few years back? There seems to be a trend that follows MJ. Whenever he felt that someone he worked with was in any indangering, profiting, or lying on him they would be fire. Bob Jones was fired, and like many who were fired by MJ or his camp they wrote a "tell all" book filled with crap. Out of anger ang wanting to get back at him no matter what.

Why would MJ sue him? If MJ sued every book that was incorrectly written about him he would have never had a life. BC there is sooo much untruth wriiten about him. If that happened for over forty years of my life I wouldn't even try sueing bc it would be exhausting and pointless. Especially if NO ONE belives a word that comes out of MY mouth not others or FORMER EMPLOYEES.When you sue someone it takes time and money. Lots of people knew MJ for long periods of time, but that doesn't mean they could be trusted.
He made money off of him. Why write a book about MJ anyway especially around the time of his trial? (Bob Jones repeatedly said that Michael Jackson never harmed a child or did anything improper," said longtime Jackson family attorney Brian Oxman. "Now all of a sudden, when the almighty dollar calls, he has new stories to tell having nothing to do with reality. His entire book is a creation out of thin air and doesn't have any validity.")

"Bob Jones was fired June 9, 2004. By the end of August 2004 (less than two months later) he was already shopping the book around to publishers.I think that Jones was one of the people who spoke to tabloid journalists to create stories about Michael in the 2000s. Mj was on trail for molestation PERFECT TIMING to write a book regarding anything remotely true. BC the media, and others will eat it up.Bob Jones was just an (angry ex employee seeking refenge. And Debbie rowe tells so many weird stories nobody knows if she's telling the truth or not about anything.Thats prob why Sneddon put her up there.

"

[sarah]

Bob Jones is not the author of the book, Stacy Brown is. It doesn't matter who says what or who writes what in the end you only believe what you want to believe. Nobody really knows if Mj did anything with these kids apart from MJ, Jordan and Gavin and a few others. You are right Bob Jones did release stories to the media re MJ, but he did so as part of his job and on MJ's orders. MJ manipulated the media too, he certainly was never the victim he portrayed himself to be. He also fabricated stories of illness to get out of concerts and appearances. It makes little difference to me if you believe what I say or not, but it is laughable how people with no knowledge of the facts and haven't even met MJ know all about his life. All I know is I will never be convinced that his behaviour with children is acceptable, we all condemn the sleepovers but then in the next breath are so sure he didn't do anything inappropriate. Or his collection of "art books" are normal coffee table books for your average home. There are lots of people who have been around MJ and say that he never did anything out of order, but there are also people that say he did. Who is to say who is right and who is wrong, just because you sell your story doesn't mean it is a lie, it just means you sold your story. Some of these people sold their stories to pay for the huge legal fees that they ran up suing MJ. They have never changed their stories and to this day still stick to them. How do I know that? Because I have contacted some of them! I accept that my opinions make some people on this forum very upset, some of you are quite rude and aggressive when it comes to the KOP, that's fine but I have been researching this situation since 1993. I don't waste my time posting you tube clips and quoting from tabloid papers, I have tried to contact people that might make the situation clearer and in doing that have formed opinions relating to what I have been told. If you can't accept other peoples opinion and debate it in an adult fashion then maybe some posters here are better off going to a fan site, where like minded people just type about how Mj loved Diana Ross and how many secret relationships he had with women, or that he fathered the kids with Debbie Rowe. Or maybe you might like to make contact with Ron Zonen the Assistant DA on the case, or people that actually knew Jordan Chandler or Gavin Arvizo and try and find the truth.

[sarah]

Sarah, I think MJ was/is a juicy piece (if it is possible to say so in English) for psychoanalysts. He had a very complicated attitude towards women, I think... There is even a subject in his songs that he liked for some reasons - songs about dangerous manipulative women, like "Billie Jean", "Dirty Diana", "Dangerous"... Perhaps some other songs.
Unfortunately I didn't read Bob Jones.

Therefore, the only way to get to the truth is by a thorough peeling off bias after bias and using our own brains (instead of someone else’s) and by reaching for what our heart tells us when the brain completely fails us.[/b]

Using brains is the best way, very hard, but extremely interesting!

Hi Jester, I agree MJ did have a very complicated view of women and perhaps marriage I think. After all the examples his brothers and parents set him were not great ones. It seems strange to me that someone who loved his mother so much would deny his own children one, even after his death they don't seem to have any contact with her. Although to be fair I'm not sure if that is her doing or the Jackson's, she was giveb visitation rights, why doesn't she use them? He married Debbie Rowe due to pressure from the Muslims that had funded the History tour as they were not keen on umarried mothers or children born out of wedlock, so he married her, the divorce was always part of the deal. Who knows what he deal was with LMP, there has been so much specualation, singing deals, church of scientology, image makeovers. I suspect that he had feelings for her but was a very difficult person to live with as he apparently would wander off on vacation and she wouldn't know where he was! I have heard from people close to LMP that they never consummated their marriage, again only 2 people will ever really know about that! LMP always maintains that their marriage was a normal one and not a sham, but she is hardly likely to say anything else is she!

[123]

(but it is laughable how people with no knowledge of the facts and haven't even met MJ know all about his life.)

YOU DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME? HAHA thats's very funny. I would agree with you if you were not posting about him as well. You def know all the "facts" bc you talked to "insiders"and belive what they say so your no better than me, or any one else posting about him. I don't recall me posting youtube clips, I def don't go to tabloids lol why in world would I go there? And why would they change their stories? It puts food on their table. I don't belive MJ was some angle he was human but not the kind your specualting but he's DEAD NOW!!!! Iv'e been thinking, and this is such a waste of time!!! Why spend my time trying to agrue with people who are never going to agree with me. BC we def don't agree. I'm going back to having a life. I post what I belive and vise versa. I find it rather sad posting back and forth about a man who has died. Especially if some on here are full blown ADULTS wasting time and energy on this. I have never meet MJ like ALOT of people on this site and while you post about him you never meet him or know his family as well. But have "connections". But has never sat down one on one with him or had a conversation with him. Point is NO ONE will ever be able to understand him out, there's so much garbage out there and people lying on him on a day to day basis. You nor I will ever know his relationship with LMP, his family, Rowe, etc and why would we? This is PATHETIC. And while you say only 2 people new about LMP and MJ that's right those people were MICHAEL JACKSON AND LISA MARIE. No insider, "author" , family memeber, friend. And i don't go around talking about his relationships with women etc..(although I do think he did Love Diana Ross I just think it was obvious) but again my oppinion. And I think he loved ALL children and wanted them to have the childhood he never exsperienced. But there is so more to life and I'm going back to it. Like I said he's passed and it's sad were ALL on here talking about him. I'll still listen to his music which he (sang about his life) and I'll have my oppinions just like you I just won't bother posting them. There are better things to do. Oh and this site is no better than the so called "love Army" Crazy fans sites (which in my oppinion are the one's that EAT SLEEP and BREATH this man.) Although I am no where near their level I do think they have a pretty good knowledge of what there talking about. But they didin't know him either but I think they know some stuff NOT ALL of corse but a good percentage. But like them your'e still talking about him lol No difference. Whether it be good, bad, honest, fair, true, false,oppinionative, your'e STILL talikng about Michael Jackson.

[Jester]

To change this pointless subject about who believe who etc. - a couple of my thoughts about sleepovers.
First of all I am here not to protect anyone or to accuse anyone or to talk about ethical issues (I'm a little bit too cynical for ethical issues and I'm simply curious about MJ, I just want to know the truth).
When I started to think over MJ's sleepovers with kids I also thought that it is a bit strange for an adult to sleep in the same bed or even in the same room with kids who are not their own, especially in case you're rich and you have a huge ranch with guest houses. Why you would share your bed with someone if this someone is not your lover? But then I found an answer to my question. You know, our weird habits come from our childhood. It is well-known that the Jacksons were a very poor family, they had a little house in Gary with two bedrooms. Two bedrooms for eleven people (nine children plus mother and father). All boys were sleeping in the same room, on a three-storey bed. MJ shared his bed with one of his brothers. Later, when they moved to California, MJ had to share his room with his brother as well. He shared his bed with his brother when Jackson 5 was touring. MJ was a teenager at that time. So I think it was totally normal for him to share his bed with someone. Perhaps he had pleasant recollections about the time when all the brothers were together, they didn't have anything to be jealous of, they just had fun. Then brothers grew up, got married, stopped sleeping in the same bed, they changed and left MJ alone. MJ was almost the youngest, I don't think he had friends outside the family, perhaps he felt lonely etc. without his brothers. That's why possibly later he wanted to be with kids and even to sleep with them - to recreate some pleasant moments of his childhood. Perhaps he even didn't think about appropriateness of his behaviour. It was not weird for him to sleep with his brothers - why it would be so weird to sleep with someone else?..
That's my little theory. I don't make conclusions about whether "he did it or not", just thoughts.

[sarah]

(but it is laughable how people with no knowledge of the facts and haven't even met MJ know all about his life.)

YOU DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME? HAHA thats's very funny. I would agree with you if you were not posting about him as well. You def know all the "facts" bc you talked to "insiders"and belive what they say so your no better than me, or any one else posting about him. I don't recall me posting youtube clips, I def don't go to tabloids lol why in world would I go there? And why would they change their stories? It puts food on their table. I don't belive MJ was some angle he was human but not the kind your specualting but he's DEAD NOW!!!! Iv'e been thinking, and this is such a waste of time!!! Why spend my time trying to agrue with people who are never going to agree with me. BC we def don't agree. I'm going back to having a life. I post what I belive and vise versa. I find it rather sad posting back and forth about a man who has died. Especially if some on here are full blown ADULTS wasting time and energy on this. I have never meet MJ like ALOT of people on this site and while you post about him you never meet him or know his family as well. But have "connections". But has never sat down one on one with him or had a conversation with him. Point is NO ONE will ever be able to understand him out, there's so much garbage out there and people lying on him on a day to day basis. You nor I will ever know his relationship with LMP, his family, Rowe, etc and why would we? This is PATHETIC. And while you say only 2 people new about LMP and MJ that's right those people were MICHAEL JACKSON AND LISA MARIE. No insider, "author" , family memeber, friend. And i don't go around talking about his relationships with women etc..(although I do think he did Love Diana Ross I just think it was obvious) but again my oppinion. And I think he loved ALL children and wanted them to have the childhood he never exsperienced. But there is so more to life and I'm going back to it. Like I said he's passed and it's sad were ALL on here talking about him. I'll still listen to his music which he (sang about his life) and I'll have my oppinions just like you I just won't bother posting them. There are better things to do. Oh and this site is no better than the so called "love Army" Crazy fans sites (which in my oppinion are the one's that EAT SLEEP and BREATH this man.) Although I am no where near their level I do think they have a pretty good knowledge of what there talking about. But they didin't know him either but I think they know some stuff NOT ALL of corse but a good percentage. But like them your'e still talking about him lol No difference. Whether it be good, bad, honest, fair, true, false,oppinionative, your'e STILL talikng about Michael Jackson.

123 I wasn't refering to you in my post and if you had bothered to ask, i might have told you that I have met Mj three times and he remembered me each time. I didn't met him as a fan, and I wasn't there to attend the concert although I did. It was the best thing I have ever seen especially in 1988 when he was still black and incredibly handsome. In 1997 he was unbelieveably different to look at and white, but still awesome to watch.
In Perth Western Australia 1985
London Bad Tour 1988 (Wembley)
Perth again History tour 1997!

[123]

Well for that i apologize. But lots of people have meet been him but a very select few KNOW him. Anyway I'm out bye everyone to one everyone else on the forum.

[do ut des]

(but it is laughable how people with no knowledge of the facts and haven't even met MJ know all about his life.)

YOU DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME? HAHA thats's very funny. I would agree with you if you were not posting about him as well. You def know all the "facts" bc you talked to "insiders"and belive what they say so your no better than me, or any one else posting about him. I don't recall me posting youtube clips, I def don't go to tabloids lol why in world would I go there? And why would they change their stories? It puts food on their table. I don't belive MJ was some angle he was human but not the kind your specualting but he's DEAD NOW!!!! Iv'e been thinking, and this is such a waste of time!!! Why spend my time trying to agrue with people who are never going to agree with me. BC we def don't agree. I'm going back to having a life. I post what I belive and vise versa. I find it rather sad posting back and forth about a man who has died. Especially if some on here are full blown ADULTS wasting time and energy on this. I have never meet MJ like ALOT of people on this site and while you post about him you never meet him or know his family as well. But have "connections". But has never sat down one on one with him or had a conversation with him. Point is NO ONE will ever be able to understand him out, there's so much garbage out there and people lying on him on a day to day basis. You nor I will ever know his relationship with LMP, his family, Rowe, etc and why would we? This is PATHETIC. And while you say only 2 people new about LMP and MJ that's right those people were MICHAEL JACKSON AND LISA MARIE. No insider, "author" , family memeber, friend. And i don't go around talking about his relationships with women etc..(although I do think he did Love Diana Ross I just think it was obvious) but again my oppinion. And I think he loved ALL children and wanted them to have the childhood he never exsperienced. But there is so more to life and I'm going back to it. Like I said he's passed and it's sad were ALL on here talking about him. I'll still listen to his music which he (sang about his life) and I'll have my oppinions just like you I just won't bother posting them. There are better things to do. Oh and this site is no better than the so called "love Army" Crazy fans sites (which in my oppinion are the one's that EAT SLEEP and BREATH this man.) Although I am no where near their level I do think they have a pretty good knowledge of what there talking about. But they didin't know him either but I think they know some stuff NOT ALL of corse but a good percentage. But like them your'e still talking about him lol No difference. Whether it be good, bad, honest, fair, true, false,oppinionative, your'e STILL talikng about Michael Jackson.

Totally agree with you. I feel the same. Sorry, I just waste my time saying the same in another thread and didn't help supporting your perspective. No matter what, lies and rumors will always feed gossip nature of humans.
Nice to read you!

[do ut des]

To change this pointless subject about who believe who etc. - a couple of my thoughts about sleepovers.
First of all I am here not to protect anyone or to accuse anyone or to talk about ethical issues (I'm a little bit too cynical for ethical issues and I'm simply curious about MJ, I just want to know the truth).
When I started to think over MJ's sleepovers with kids I also thought that it is a bit strange for an adult to sleep in the same bed or even in the same room with kids who are not their own, especially in case you're rich and you have a huge ranch with guest houses. Why you would share your bed with someone if this someone is not your lover? But then I found an answer to my question. You know, our weird habits come from our childhood. It is well-known that the Jacksons were a very poor family, they had a little house in Gary with two bedrooms. Two bedrooms for eleven people (nine children plus mother and father). All boys were sleeping in the same room, on a three-storey bed. MJ shared his bed with one of his brothers. Later, when they moved to California, MJ had to share his room with his brother as well. He shared his bed with his brother when Jackson 5 was touring. MJ was a teenager at that time. So I think it was totally normal for him to share his bed with someone. Perhaps he had pleasant recollections about the time when all the brothers were together, they didn't have anything to be jealous of, they just had fun. Then brothers grew up, got married, stopped sleeping in the same bed, they changed and left MJ alone. MJ was almost the youngest, I don't think he had friends outside the family, perhaps he felt lonely etc. without his brothers. That's why possibly later he wanted to be with kids and even to sleep with them - to recreate some pleasant moments of his childhood. Perhaps he even didn't think about appropriateness of his behaviour. It was not weird for him to sleep with his brothers - why it would be so weird to sleep with someone else?..
That's my little theory. I don't make conclusions about whether "he did it or not", just thoughts.

I like your perspective! It makes sense! That happens a lot in poor families (or not so poor) when they don't have space in their own homes.
I absolute agree with you! It was never weird for him. And no-one can understand this, or admits to understand this because in our world of stories to be poor is synonymous of weakness, shame, whatever... It's better to show an image of rich and powerful without the poor period. Shame on us all!

[do ut des]

Well for that i apologize. But lots of people have meet been him but a very select few KNOW him. Anyway I'm out bye everyone to one everyone else on the forum.

Bye and be happy enjoying his music! I will go too because it's pointless arguing with people that refuse to see other perspectives than their own. I don't know you but I like your thoughts/opinions. That happened also regarding MJ, I never knew the guy but always liked him! \o/

[sarah]

To change this pointless subject about who believe who etc. - a couple of my thoughts about sleepovers.
First of all I am here not to protect anyone or to accuse anyone or to talk about ethical issues (I'm a little bit too cynical for ethical issues and I'm simply curious about MJ, I just want to know the truth).
When I started to think over MJ's sleepovers with kids I also thought that it is a bit strange for an adult to sleep in the same bed or even in the same room with kids who are not their own, especially in case you're rich and you have a huge ranch with guest houses. Why you would share your bed with someone if this someone is not your lover? But then I found an answer to my question. You know, our weird habits come from our childhood. It is well-known that the Jacksons were a very poor family, they had a little house in Gary with two bedrooms. Two bedrooms for eleven people (nine children plus mother and father). All boys were sleeping in the same room, on a three-storey bed. MJ shared his bed with one of his brothers. Later, when they moved to California, MJ had to share his room with his brother as well. He shared his bed with his brother when Jackson 5 was touring. MJ was a teenager at that time. So I think it was totally normal for him to share his bed with someone. Perhaps he had pleasant recollections about the time when all the brothers were together, they didn't have anything to be jealous of, they just had fun. Then brothers grew up, got married, stopped sleeping in the same bed, they changed and left MJ alone. MJ was almost the youngest, I don't think he had friends outside the family, perhaps he felt lonely etc. without his brothers. That's why possibly later he wanted to be with kids and even to sleep with them - to recreate some pleasant moments of his childhood. Perhaps he even didn't think about appropriateness of his behaviour. It was not weird for him to sleep with his brothers - why it would be so weird to sleep with someone else?..
That's my little theory. I don't make conclusions about whether "he did it or not", just thoughts.

Hi Jester, I have thought along the same lines as you regarding the sleepovers for sometime, with one difference. MJ was warned so many times that his behaviour could lead him into trouble, wether that be with parents, the media, or the cops but he didn't listen. It is widely reported that even Marlon Brando and Quincy Jones warned him about the sleepovers being inappropriate! I am sure that he always slept in a room full of kids whilst he was growing up, and didn't like to sleep alone. However, he chose to buy Neverland so he could do exactly as he pleased and get away from his family. We are told even by Mj in the Bashir documentary that he can't sleep with the lights out and Cherilyn Lee the nurse who attended him in March/April 09 that he went to sleep with the lights on and with Disney cartoons playing on his laptop! Seems to be a common thread running along here that he was probably afaid to be alone at night. So why not find a nice girl!

[Jester]

Seems to be a common thread running along here that he was probably afaid to be alone at night.

Agree!

MJ was warned so many times that his behaviour could lead him into trouble, wether that be with parents, the media, or the cops but he didn't listen.

Looks like he didn't care too much... "I'll do what I want if I want to do it! Let'em go to hell!"

So why not find a nice girl!

Or a boy... 18+

[zeromarcy]

He did it in 1993....so why not in 2005.....think think...Gay man..in bed with "Lolita Boy"....read the Madonna story....is Homophobia more important than the truth ?....well the answer is yes !......so the racist and homophobic, public is still so easy to fool !....[yes racists against Jews...is equal to racists against Blacks etc.]

so know brian u are SURE?
didn't u say that this is what u heared?
and sarah: who say that he didn't try to find a nice girl?
Just simply because it was revealed that MJ couldn't sleep alone. or with the light out or without the cartoon on the laptop does that mean that he didn't ??
well do always sleep with someone??
I don't.

[brianpi]

HE DID SOMETHING!....what is the only question.....The police and the courts don't just get up one morning and say.."hey let's go after Michael Jackson, just for the fun of it"......come on now!...be adults!.....

[zeromarcy]

HE DID SOMETHING!....what is the only question.....The police and the courts don't just get up one morning and say.."hey let's go after Michael Jackson, just for the fun of it"......come on now!...be adults!.....

should i remeber u, when u said on severl posts that u HEARD that something happend, and that was told to u, but you either were not there?
And now, u won't admit that PROBABLY even the police is full probably of corruption??(I'm just suggesting)
And are u sure that, the police could not start something even without one CREDIBLE source/clue??
Well these kind of things could happend.
The cases of false accusation of child abuse are about 10% ore more....and it's easy to manipulate a child.
http://www.allencowling.com/falseacc.htm
And as a secretary in a legal office, i can tell u, that these kind of things happend...